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As I stated in the earlier blog I went back to my old habits and my runners knee came back. Not as bad as the first time. I noticed some swelling and cracking after running and sitting to much at work. Its a bad combo for my knee. So this was a great opportunity to figure out exactly how I cured it the first time.
I was pretty sure I could cure the knee alone by knee exercises. I tried this for about a week and I did not get the good healing feelings in the knee the day after and felt like it was getting worse. I may be unusual or blessed but I know a few hours after a workout weather it was good for my knee or bad. Especially the next day if it felt good. Its a warm tingling healthy feeling. Its like I have pillows wrapped around my knees. The reverse is true to I could feel the runners knee coming back also. So that's how I gauge what's good and bad for my knees. After failing with the knee exercises I started walking a lot. My knee got feeling better but slowly and it seamed to plateau off for me again. Well at this time I am getting a little concerned because what I believed cured my knee the first time does not seem to be working very well this time. I started retracing my healing the the first time and came up with what I thought might have done it.
I am a runner and I wanted to run so bad the the first time with runners knee I would walk 2/3 thirds the way on a walk and run slow on my forefoot for the other 1/3. I say running maybe it was more of a shuffle on my forefeet. At the time I did not give it credit for the healing. I had learned the first time with runners knee about a runner who had runners knee and cured his by mistake by running in a very rooted trail which forced him to run on his forefeet. That fascinated me being healed by running on your forefeet.
I went out for a run/shuffle/walk I did about 3 miles with the dog. I walked for maybe 150 yards (1 1/2 football fields) and shuffled/ran on my forefeet for about a 75 yards. I alternated back and forth it for about 3 miles. I did it! I got the great feeling that night in both knees and as well as the next day. It also seemed to make sitting long periods more OK to get away with at work. Too early to draw conclusions yet though. The next day I did about the same but only 1 1/2 miles. It seemed to be good but I did not get the overwhelming feeling that 3 miles I did the day before. The 3rd day the knees are feeling pretty good so I thought I would experiment. I run/shuffled on my forefeet slowly at a 11 minute mile pace for 2 1/2 miles then walked another 2 miles. Yep I got the great feeling and the next day too, which is as I am writing this now. I may have done a little to much. I got a feeling like I pushed a little to hard but not to badly. I think I am on to something with the run/walk.
When running/shuffling on my forefoot I noticed the knee surrounding muscles are flexed. So the muscles are stimulated and a fresh supply of blood is given to that area when done correctly. I think it also helps the patella track properly. When I heel strike the knee muscles are pretty much relaxed and the patella does not have the same support that forefoot strikes create.
So I am thinking strongly the combination walking and running/shuffling for 45 minutes or longer (no to little jarring) is a strong elixir for knee health.
I will update on my progress.
Ron
Hi Ron,
ReplyDeleteI often search the web for more info about chondromalacia and PFPS and came across your blog and I recognize your posts from Richard's blog. Its very interesting to read your full story. What I'm gathering from both your experience and Richard's experience is that in the case the knee joint is really bad (as in my case) then it does require a significant amount of time and patience. Also, very good point that it's very hard on the knee to go from sitting at a desk jon for a long time to them being very active. My knee pain recovery had been doing pretty well up to October 2012. I was able to
Bike 10 miles including hills. I was able to walk up and down 10 flights of stairs. I was able to walk 5 miles. But then I had a giant flare-up/setback that I'm still recovering from. Although still not sure what caused the flare up, I'm Thinking it may have been
Contributed to that I had stopped doing as much activity during the week and started doing most of my activity (road biking) on the weekend. I think my knee finally got fed up.
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DeleteHow are you doing now?
Hi Knee pain
ReplyDeleteI just noticed the comment. The flare up could be to much at the same time. The worse the knee the smaller the goldie locks zone. I can remember walking a long way and then doing knee exercises and having flare ups the next day. You will have to cut back on the stairs I think. Biking never bothered me no matter how long of ride or hard. At the same time I never seen any gains from biking either. Its great exercise though and may help you. Keep walking and don't sit for long periods. My PFPS is still there a little and I am trying to shake it. It is like there are a lot of stages you go though in the healing process and different exercises for those stages.
I was explaining what worked for me on Richards site and I don't think Richard cared for that. Its his stage and I respect that. I don't follow his blog anymore. I loved the book and kudoos to him on helping his knees. But he tends to bash things a lot which I do not care for. Also ignoring what works for me seemed strange. Isn't the cure is what we all are looking for?
I have been waiting to post when I get the knee completely healed.
Good luck with the knee.
Hi Ron. How are you doing now? Would you say that you are completely cured? Thank for sharing your experience.
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DeleteCompletely cured. I stand at work now which for me made a huge difference. It also cured a tendinitis on my upper foot within a week by standing at work.
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ReplyDeleteThanks for the info. I am 37, was running consistently for 14 months and had worked up to 50MPW. Then six weeks ago the knee pain started. Now I can only run for 15 minutes on a flat surface, or a slow 30 going up a steep incline. Totally sucks!
ReplyDeleteI am a forefoot striker and worked with a personal running coach last summer to hone my form, so I don't know what the deal is. I'm going to try more thigh exercises as you've suggested--I already do a lunge matrix, step-ups, and wall sits a few times a week. Also will try more standing. I work at a desk all day. I notice some correlation between the knee pain and tight calves. You?
Thanks again. Great to know that this can be beat... I am sick of the elliptical!
Sitting for long periods is one of the main causes of runners knee for me I believe. I stand at work now which has really helped me. I am 100 percent now.
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ReplyDeleteim nastran 30 years from iran. im suffering from chondromalacia.
i did lots of vmo strengthening exercise but it does not work i really need your help due to sanction i could not by Richards book .could you tell me about the exercise?
Hi walking a lot is what built my knees up and stopped sitting at work. I stand now. Light knee bends when they were strong enough for me.
DeleteHi Ron,
ReplyDeleteJust wanted to check on your progress. Thanks
Hi
Delete100 percent for almost since I wrote the blog. Standing at work instead of sitting was big. It also cured tendentious in my upper foot by standing.
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